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Monday, February 25, 2008

"Shout out to Bill O'Reilly"


Don’t Get Gassed:
Bill O’Reilly is not the Devil
written by JusHH

Usually when an opinion becomes so one-sided that people agree to it without knowing any of the facts, it’s time to re-evaluate the position. Here’s the typical view on Bill, he’s a racist and he hates Hip-Hop. But don’t get gassed, Bill O’Reilly isn’t as bad as you might think.

Let’s tackle the first claim since it is the strongest accusation and probably the most inaccurate. While Bill O’Reilly is an unapologetic conservative, he is not a racist. You would have to watch more than a few YouTube clips in order to know that. Every day for an hour, Bill hosts The O’Reilly Factor on Fox News and if you’ve watched any episode, you would know that he criticizes everyone equally. In fact, he comments on other white people the most. If he has any bias or prejudice, it’s pretty much political. Now I’m not saying that some of his views toward minorities aren’t insensitive but it’s far from racist. When he does criticize black people, if you actually listen objectively, it’s no different than what we’ve said amongst each other. But when certain things come from affluent white man, it can easily come off as racist. I encourage you to watch one of his shows and determine for yourself.

Now, the Hip-Hop thing is a bit more complicated. Bill definitely holds no punches when it comes to dropping the hammer on what he calls “gangster rap”. He first made public headlines within the Hip-Hop community when he petitioned Pepsi, to drop Ludacris from its ads because he curse and sends negative messages that are not fit for the audience that the soft drink company sells to. Pepsi eventually dropped Ludacris and picked up the Osbournes for its Super Bowl ads. Although the Osbourne family curses more in one of their reality episodes than Luda would have on an entire album, there were no issues coming from the O’Reilly camp. Bill has also used his show to taunt and disparage Snoop Dogg which has lead to a colorful war of words. Whenever Snoop is asked about the Right Wing analyst, he responds with, “F**k Bill O’Reilly”. Most recently, Bill has received a wave of ice grills when he spoke out against Virginia Tech’s decision to invite Nas to perform at a benefit concert for the families of the shooting victims last year. Considering all that goes on in this world, it would seem that Bill O’Reilly spends an awful amount of time discussing a music genre. To use time that he could spend talking about something more important, must mean that he’s got a big ax to grind with Hip-Hop and the people in it.

When you dig a bit deeper though, that position begins to falter a bit. Bill O’Reilly doesn’t just pick on Hip-Hop when it comes to pop culture. He has done numerous segments on Britney Spears when she “misbehaves” and ridicules her for making a fool of herself and setting a bad example for little girls. However, you’ll probably never see any of these segments posted on allhiphop.com. With regards to the situation with Ludacris, we need to be honest about our own music. As much as I love him as an artist, when I have children, there’s many songs that I simply can’t play in front of them. Frankly, there are many situations where Cris’ lyrics and subject matter is simply inappropriate. Given that, is it that far fetched to see someone object to that person representing a product that is supposed to cater to everyone? If you found that Don Imus was sponsoring a universal product, many minorities would have a problem with that. The Nas situation is more of the same except if you watched Bill’s entire segment you would have realized that he was really chastising the President of Virginia Tech. Bill actually said that he doesn’t have a problem with Nas performing at the school; he just felt that given his lyrics and his gun charge, he shouldn’t perform at a benefit concert for the families of 33 people murdered by a handgun. Does that sound like prejudice? Isn’t it very possible that a mother or sister in the audience might get upset when Nas performed “Got Urself a Gun” or spat the lyrics, “I load an extended clip and body them all day”? Again we have to be honest and admit that we can’t have it both ways. We can’t use our freedom of speech for obscenities and offensive lyrics and get sensitive when someone takes offense to them. Despite being personal and a bit childish, his beef with Snoop isn’t a form of bigotry either. Snoop Dogg is an international superstar who promotes all kinds of products to kids. His captivating personality has him in movies, television shows and on billboards across the world. He is also a former gang-member who to this very day reps that gang and proudly wears its colors. He has been arrested many times over the last few years from everything from assault to drug possession. Bill O’Reilly is not making these bad decisions, Snoop is. He has offered Snoop the chance to discuss his side on his show on countless occasions and Snoop has declined. If he feels that this rapper shouldn’t be glorified and seen in the households of families and decides to takes shots at him, it’s only because Snoop handed him a loaded gun.

We as an entire community have to start taking responsibility for our own actions. We can’t promote and support certain things in our culture and music and not have repercussions. Everyone doesn’t “get” Hip-Hop and not everyone likes it and wants it in their lives. Bill O’Reilly has never, ever said that Hip-Hop music should be stopped and he even acknowledges that there are positive aspects of the music; he just vehemently attacks the things he has a problem with. Is he always fair and balanced? No. But that doesn’t mean that what he’s saying isn’t the truth and it definitely doesn’t make him a racist or a “hater”. We shouldn’t get mad that he’s talking about us; we should be upset at ourselves for giving him so much to vilify.

5 comments:

Diony Elias said...

Very informative & educational. I'm thankful I read it.
Try to be more concise. Send this to Fox - I'm not kidding.

~ D-Nyce. (Spelling change..lol)

Anonymous said...

It's funny, but I have felt this way about Bill O'Reilly for a long time. But he is such a polarizing figure, esp. in the black community, that it's tough to articulate a positive, or at least an un-hateful position on him within this community that you never hear about some of the more intelligent things he has to say.

Understand your enemy, people, before you criticize them...

Anonymous said...

One more thing: it's funny, becaus Oprah has actually gone out and said that she doesn't like hip-hop on her show...yet we never hear about that from many black folks...interesting...

Anonymous said...

I have so much to say in response to both the post and the comments, I know I'm not gonna get it all in, where to start...

Okay first, Oprah actually HAS been vilified for expressing her disdain for certain rap music. She and Ludacris had an ongoing beef as well. And I love Oprah but I didn't agree with the way she treated him on her show. He was a guest with the cast of the movie "Crash," and she treated him like a hateful rapper, he was there as an actor in a movie. She used that opportunity as a way of showing her disgust for his music through her actions towards him as a "guest." I've never treated a guest like that. (And yes I do agree with Oprah that she doesn't EVER have to have a rapper on HER show if she chooses not to. But I think that if she does he should be able to jump on the couch just like Tom Cruise)

Which actually illustrates my next point. I don't watch the O'Reilly factor because I think just about all of Fox News has a horrible slant. But I do know that often when you enter someone else's platform/comfort zone to "defend" your views and actions you are slammed and misrepresented. So I actually don't blame Snoop for not wanting to go on the show, especially if he doesn't feel like he has anything to defend.

Now the Ludacris issue is something totally different. And while I would be one of the first to say that rappers need to take responsibility for what they say and do, I think backing Bill O'Reilly on that Pepsi issue is like saying rappers are one dimensional in a sense. You know how many people drink pepsi?! Rappers, singers, porn stars, strippers, grandmothers, AIDS patients, Senators, etc. My point is, the Osbournes didn't curse in any Pepsi ads and I'm sure Ludacris wouldn't have either. If we don't ever give rappers the chance to show that they are active and possibly positive members of society then we won't ever see them as such. And I definitely do NOT consider Ludacris gangster rap, but hey, I grew up in Bed Stuy--maybe it's just me.

I'm not saying Bill O'Reilly is a racist, or a hater. But I'm really getting sick of people feeling like it's okay for everyone else to attack the hip-hop community (and to take it further the black community) because it isn't perfect. Yes we do need to get our act together in many ways. But it's extrememly difficult to do that when we have outside influences inciting more inside turmoil. It's always Al Sharpton and the NAACP or whoever v. the rappers (or something similar). It's like we need therapy to learn how to communicate with each other.

We need to start focusing on the positive things and build from there. And not pay attention to what the Bill O'Reillys or Don Imus' or any other critic says. And by the way please don't use Cam'Ron or Lil Wayne as an example because if you're on this blog then you know that they are not where it begins and ends for hip hop. So don't let a few knuckleheads become what we look to when we want to cricize. There's way more good than there is bad (so please cite concrete examples of the positive things Bill has said if you're going to put that out there).

By the way, hip hop blogs talk about hip hop so I wouldn't expect to see allhiphop.com talk about what ANYONE says about a pop singer...hence the name ALL HIP HOP.

K Storm said...

I agree with G on the Oprah issue. Luda was on as an actor for a movie, and she went in on him because she doesnt like his music. That was a bit much. And yes, there was a huge issue with this in the hip hop community. Oprah is a great person, but that wasn't called for.

Luda is not gangsta rap. I don't even think he needs to have parental advisory stickers on his CDs. You know how many ROCK or Country songs or Pop songs are lyrically disturbing?
O'Reilly like many hosts on the FOX network, have a bias point of view, however, I have learned that just because I think someone is ignorant, doesn't mean I can't learn something from the GARBAGE that comes from thier mouth :)
Ill listen, but that doesn't mean I have to respect it. Maybe if O'Reilly stepped out of his box of ignorance, he would learn a thing or two himself.